PAUSE FOR THOUGHT
"I don’t agree with AP on giving us an allowance to ride against the men."
“The issue of whether female jockeys are given a fair crack of the whip has been brought into sharp focus recently amid myriad comments from various corners of the racing world. Speaking after her historic victory on 100-1 shot Prince Of Penzance in the Melbourne Cup, Michelle Payne described racing as “such a chauvinistic sport” . Payne told reporters: “A lot of the owners wanted to kick me off. Everyone else can" get stuffed" who think females are not good enough.
"I don’t agree with AP on giving us an allowance to ride against the men."
“The issue of whether female jockeys are given a fair crack of the whip has been brought into sharp focus recently amid myriad comments from various corners of the racing world. Speaking after her historic victory on 100-1 shot Prince Of Penzance in the Melbourne Cup, Michelle Payne described racing as “such a chauvinistic sport” . Payne told reporters: “A lot of the owners wanted to kick me off. Everyone else can" get stuffed" who think females are not good enough.
RACING POST THURSDAY NOVEMBER 26, 2015.
SPECIAL REPORT
NICHOLAS GODFREY " Gauges opinion about tackling the hurdles facing female riders."
“A POTENTIALLY significant new development has emerged in the debate over whether more could be done to encourage female jockeys, with racings ruler’s admitting women need to be given greater support.
Speaking in the aftermath of Tony McCoy controversial suggestion that professional female riders might benefit from a 3lb allowance, BHA media manager Robin Mounsey said the central authority was aware steps made might need to be taken to promote female riders.
“However, it seems any such measures are unlikely to include the McCoy allowance’ which provoked such a furore when the 20-time champion tabled the idea in a recent blog – not least because there is seemingly precious little support for such an allowance from female riders themselves.
“Racing is very rare in that it is a sport where men and women compete on equal terms, and this is something we are rightly proud of, said Mounsey. “We do however, recognise there is more we can do to support female jockeys in the sport.
“There are currently no plans to look at female jockeys’ weight allowance, although should we receive a formal representation from female riders or the PJA (Professional Jockeys Association) then there is no reason why it should never be considered.
“However, the wider issue is one we intend to look at in order to see what more can be done. For example, as part of the Jump Review, which is nearing publication, a recommendation states that the programme of amateur riders’ races will be reviewed to encourage the development of young jockeys into the sport – this may include a focus on female jockeys. “
“The issue of whether female jockeys are given a fair crack of the whip has been brought into sharp focus recently amid myriad comments from various corners of the racing world. Speaking after her historic victory on 100-1 shot Prince Of Penzance in the Melbourne Cup, Michelle Payne described racing as “such a chauvinistic sport” . Payne told reporters: “A lot of the owners wanted to kick me off. Everyone else can get stuffed (who) think females are not good enough.
“Haley Turner, the most successful female rider in British racing history, went into retirement a few days after Payne’s success. She weighed in over the weekend, when she said a lot of her former collegues “moan about it when they just need to get their heads down and get on with it.
“Mounsey added: “As an industry there have been steps taken to support female jockeys, such as the recruitment of three female jockey coaches and the programming of a female jockeys only race-day at Carlisle. It is also pleasing that in recent years we have seen more female riders than males graduating as apprentices through the two racing schools, and several young female riders graduating from pony racing.
“The Professional Jockeys Association (PJA) reports it has 42 licensed female members: eight Flat, 28 apprentice, three jumps, two conditional, one duel apprentice/ conditional.
“If they are good enough they will get on, why wouldn’t they?” said Turner, speaking on BBC News.
“Trouble at the top.
JMC: Government fraud and deception.
“Yet while a significant proportion of Stable Staff – at a premium these days, we are told- and female jockeys are well represented on the lower rungs of the career ladder, the numbers strongly suggest they are still struggling to establish themselves higher up. There was not a single female among the Top 50 in this season’s Flat championship that ended on British Champions Day, during which Cathy Gannon and leading apprentice Sammy Jo Bell led the way with 24 winners.
Stable Staff -
"Stable Staff" - A financially dishonest government scam.
Group 1: in 2 Parts A. B.:
A: All true top professional licensed jockey's, work riders, who have reached the top in their true bloodhorse literate profession:
B: All true professional licensed handler, work riders who work each day with the yearlings and two year olds at home. All those who have reached the top in this highly skilled area.
Group 2: All licensed jockey's, handler - work riders working up the bloodhorse literate ladder, aiming to get to work at the top of their profession:
Group 3: Apprentice - Conditional - Work Riders further progression step:
Group 4: Learner - Student - Apprentice - Conditional -Handler -Riders
HORSERACING CAREER COURSE:
There are four separate Group's that go , or should be going to make-up the true professional bloodhorse literate ladder:
A: All true top professional licensed jockey's, work riders, who have reached the top in their true bloodhorse literate profession:
B: All true professional licensed handler, work riders who work each day with the yearlings and two year olds at home. All those who have reached the top in this highly skilled area.
Group 2: All licensed jockey's, handler - work riders working up the bloodhorse literate ladder, aiming to get to work at the top of their profession:
Group 3: Apprentice - Conditional - Work Riders further progression step:
Group 4: Learner - Student - Apprentice - Conditional -Handler -Riders
“Twenty-eight years after she rode Sprowston Boy to win the Queen Alexandra Stakes in 1987, Gay Kelleway remains the only female to have ridden a winner at Royal Ascot, where only two of the 444 available rides this year were taken by female jockeys; the last time a female rode a Group 1 winner in Britain it was Turner on Margot Did in the 2011 Nunthorpe.
“The picture is not dissimilar over jumps, where there are no females in the Top 50, Nina Carberry and Katie Walsh are often cited as examples of why females do not require any additional allowance when riding against their male counterparts, yet while no -one would question their prowess, both are officially amateurs allowed only a limited number of rides against professional males. Relatively few females have ever been able to establish themselves in the male professional ranks of British horseracing.
“Prejudice ingrained
“PJA chief executive Paul Struthers said he was aware of the issue. “Echoing what Gary Player said about golf, you can’t improve without practice. While that applies to all young jockeys. I don’t doubt it’s harder for all female jockeys to get the opportunities when they are starting, whether that is a popular thing to say or not. If you are good enough, you’ll get rides, but you have to be able to demonstrate you’re good enough.
“Little support for McCoy idea
“Struthers
said there was no groundswell of support for the concept, even among the women
themselves. “The idea is not something I’ve had our female members asking for,
and indeed when it’s mooted the feedback has been they specifically wouldn’t
want it, despite the clear benefit there would be for them ,” he said.
“It’s difficult to talk about female riders in isolation of jockeys generally, purely because if you speak to trainers it can be a struggle to get owners to put up apprentices or conditionals up, particularly when they’re first setting out, and the struggles of jockeys generally are well known and documented.
Ex –jockey
Richard Parham, senior tutor at the British Racing School, said prejudice
against female riders remains deeply ingrained in some parts of the industry in
Britain. However, he remained to be convinced an allowance for senior female
riders was the answer. “I have been quoted as saying some trainers are still in
the dark-ages – not all of them, but some of them,” he said “I’m sure there is
a prejudice, but when you get to Cathy Gannon’s stage and you’re a professional
jockey, then why would you need a 3lb claim? “
“Perham,
however, reported an increase in the numbers of females entering the sport. “We’re
seeing far more girls on apprentice courses because they are lighter framed,
generally smaller than the guys, who are gradually getting bigger,” he said. “On
all the foundation courses it is massively in favour of girls. If we can get
them involved then they get to the claiming stage as it is now, then by default
there will be more opportunities because girls are more able to do the weight. “
“At the
crux of McCoy’s thinking – and at the centre of outraged responses was the
concept that the average woman is not as strong as their male counterpart.
While one might question whether a male jockey who has been “wasting” is likely
to have any strength advantage over a naturally lighter female, it is also a
fact that colts and geldings must concede weight to fillies and mares to even
out such a perceived gender imbalance.
“An
additional allowance based on the fundamental premise that they’re not as good
as male jockeys, and that’s simply not a premise I buy into. Are they as physically
strong as, say, Jimmy Fortune or Franny Norton, or have the ability to “carry a
horse home” like AP? No, but hardly any jockeys are or do.
“It’s difficult to talk about female riders in isolation of jockeys generally, purely because if you speak to trainers it can be a struggle to get owners to put up apprentices or conditionals up, particularly when they’re first setting out, and the struggles of jockeys generally are well known and documented.
“We have a
board meeting in December when I’m sure it will be discussed, and work on the
jockey training and development strategy continues. But while it’s easy for me
to say this being male and from the comfort of a desk, I don’t believe we’re in
the place where we need positive discrimination yet.”
“Former
jockey Dale Gibson, who is now the PJA’s executive director, spoke of wider
issues effecting inexperienced jockeys, both male and female. “We lost the only
televised apprentice race and I think we need more of them,” he said. We
should have more apprentice races and fewer amateur races; that way there are more opportunities for
everyone.
“We’re
interested in anything that helps development for both male and female
apprentices, “ added Gibson. “If a girl can ride out her claim then she’s got
every chance of making it, but it’s not something where the industry can wave a
magic wand and more females will suddenly appears. It’s a tricky one but we’d
prefer to keep the status quo.”
NG: “FACTS SHOW males do hold advantages when it comes to strength. "
TRUE PROFESSIONAL BLOODHORSE LITERATE ACHIEVERS:
JMC: This has always been the feeble excuse faced up to anyone who dare challenge in this argument. To partner a fit racehorse in training at exercise or in a race, firstly that rider needs to be as physically fit as the racehorse. Once in the saddle that rider whether female or male needs to have acquired skills that are nothing to do with strength at all. Quite the opposite in fact. In the case of male builders – bricklayers, strength may well come into the argument in that context.
JMC: THE WHOLE STRUCTURE OF LICENSED BRITISH PROFESSIONAL “JOCKEYS” IN
GENERAL, INCLUSIVE OF BOTH SEXES, TO BE REMOVED FROM THE PRESENT BLOODHORSE ILLITERATE MOUNSEY AND CO GOVERNMENT DOMAIN - ZONE COMPLETELY:
FIVE LICENSED TOP PROFESSIONAL BLOODHORSE LITERATE
FEMALE JOCKEYS ’ SPEAK UP :
Cathy Gannon
Katie
Walsh
Sophie
Doyle
Emma
O’Gorman
Rachel
Green
NG:
“As hard as it may be, most girls want to gain respect on equal terms. "
BLOODHORSE LITERATE? OR BLOODHORSE ILLITERATE?
These are the two true questions, this should be nothing to do with
sexism. Racehorses in training do not lie.
IN
THE BACKGROUND there have always been stand out girls in the jockey stakes at
home preparing these racehorses. In the late 1960's early 1970’s when the possibility of
applying for a British female trainers license and or a British female jockeys licence to aim for, there was Brooke Sanders, Elain Mellor, Ann
Gilbert and J Margaret Clarke, to name only four here.
KATIE WALSH BLOG
THE IN BETWEEN YEARS
1967 - 2000 - 2015
HAYLEY TURNER (GB) (Group 1)
PROFESSIONAL GLOBAL HORSERACING CAREER
Top Bloodhorse Literate Achiever in her Own Right.
2000 - 2015
Hayley Turner Career Direction
JMC: Hayley Turner started out in her career early in 2000 apprenticed to Michael Bell, a successful Newmarket Flat turf trainer. With the help of Michael Bell, Turner, was able to pick up on the old British male apprenticed route.
British bloodhorse illiterate governments in the late 1960’s early 1970’s couldn’t cope. They managed to get Tetley Tea to promote races for only female riders to compete in. Later government in attempting to bridge the gap allowed girls to ride in Amateur races against male amateurs. Government in doing this stipulated that girls who worked professionally in Trainer Teams were considered to be professional and therefore were not allowed to compete, in these Amateur races.
British bloodhorse illiterate governments in the late 1960’s early 1970’s couldn’t cope. They managed to get Tetley Tea to promote races for only female riders to compete in. Later government in attempting to bridge the gap allowed girls to ride in Amateur races against male amateurs. Government in doing this stipulated that girls who worked professionally in Trainer Teams were considered to be professional and therefore were not allowed to compete, in these Amateur races.
Michael Bell Racing
Trainer Michael Bell | Record By Race Type | Racing Post
Michael Bell | Highclere Thoroughbred Racing
JMC: These
girls are contributing to global horseracing big time every day, already on
equal terms with the male of the species make no mistake about that. These
girls will bring fresh sparkle and interest to the sport our Queen Elizabeth 11
is developing for her people to understand and enjoy on their days off.
Strictly Come Racing Style at Royal Ascot, how to always truly respect the horses. One step along the global bloodhorse literate path to peace.
CATHY
GANNON:
"I don’t agree with AP on giving us an allowance to ride against the men.
Katie Walsh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.emmaogorman.co.uk/
"I don’t agree with AP on giving us an allowance to ride against the men.
“ It’s
a non starter and It’ll never happen. If it was the other way around it would
be sexual discrimination and there would be war! I do think that if your capable
enough to ride out your claim you shouldn’t have to go back and take 3lb back.
You’re good enough to be a professional. It’s unfair on other jockey’s anyway;
you’d like to think you’re competing on level terms with the males. There are
more girls coming into racing at the apprentice school and if you’re good
enough you’ll get the chance.”
Jockey Cathy Gannon | Record By Race Type |
Racing...
KATIE
WALSH
"I don’t
agree with AP on giving us an allowance to ride against the men. Every jockey
starts off with a 7lb claim and if you are good enough and aren’t stopped through injury or weight issues you’ll go through your claim and
if you don’t you aren’t good enough. We don’t need an extra allowance. "
Jockey Ms K Walsh | Record By Race Type | Racing Post
Grand National: Jockey Katie Walsh on women riders - The ..
Jockey Ms K Walsh | Record By Race Type | Racing Post
Grand National: Jockey Katie Walsh on women riders - The ..
Katie Walsh: Irish Grand National winner on equality in ...
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SOPHIE DOYLE
"In USA I've been picking up a lot of business and a lot more quality rides too," she said in an interview in Monday's Racing Post. "It's amazing to realise how well I've done for myself compared to how things were in England, where you're just scratching the barrel every day hoping to get one decent horse to ride. Now I'm riding a substantial amount of horses and riding in big allowance races and stakes races.
"I don’t agree with AP on giving us an allowance to ride against the men.""In USA I've been picking up a lot of business and a lot more quality rides too," she said in an interview in Monday's Racing Post. "It's amazing to realise how well I've done for myself compared to how things were in England, where you're just scratching the barrel every day hoping to get one decent horse to ride. Now I'm riding a substantial amount of horses and riding in big allowance races and stakes races.
(“Formally one of Britain’s top female riders now based in the US, where she has ridden 67 winners in 2015) In this era, females have fought so much to gain the respect they have that a 3lb claim would only be a knock to them and I don’t think it would increase chances as not many girls in Britain have ridden out their claim. Many female jockeys across the world have already proved themselves, so why should England be an exception by allowing 3lb to be carried? Would someone like Emma -- Jayne Wilson be carrying 3lb at the Shergar Cup?
Doyle
flying high after life changing move to America | Horse ...
EMMA O’GORMAN
"I don’t agree with AP on giving us an allowance to ride against the men."
"I don’t agree with AP on giving us an allowance to ride against the men."
(“Former top female rider, now bloodstock agent) “It’s not really sending out the right message. Most girls would want to be recognised on equal terms and not to be treated as inferior, which is what that would be doing. There are definitely more girls every year – there will be quite a few going on after Hayley’s done so well and it is stepping up. “It’s still a frustrating situation but I’m not sure if making it obvious in black and white that girls are inferior to men and in need of an allowance to be able to compete is going to help. As hard as it may be, most girls want to gain respect on equal terms.
Emma O'Gorman rode very successfully for several years as a professional jockey riding nearly 150 winners and being leading girl rider twice.
Working for her father in Newmarket since a young age has enabled her to gain invaluable experience in breaking yearlings and handling 2-year-olds. After all, during his training career, Bill O'Gorman was probably the best 2-y-o trainer around, and now that he's semi-retired his help and advice is always there when needed.
Images for Emma O'Gormanhttp://www.emmaogorman.co.uk/
RACHEAL GREEN
"I don’t agree with AP on giving us an allowance to ride against the men."
(“On sabbatical from race-riding to have a baby, having ridden out her claim), Between an equal female and male, the female would not be as strong-fact. But is strength so important in being a successful jockey? I have outridden AP and Richard Johnson but that was because I was stronger than them? There is always one jockey in a finish who outrides the other, whether it is between males, females, or a mixture of both. Good female jockeys get the rides anyway and I think it would be unfair to other jockeys in the weighing room if they were to receive an extra allowance. ”
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